Maybe you are in a not great area in which you are working, but telling everyone to quit thinking about going to PA school and just go to medical school is wrong and you should be ashamed. Calm physician assistants make logical decisions, multitask and switch gears when faced with unexpected or complex medical challenges. Kelli, practicing as a PA for about five years at the time, made this determination on her own. I've done outpatient and inpatient in 2 different fields. We developed a network of coworkers who became close friends, spent time together outside of work, and celebrated holidays as a group. Collaboration. I want to add 2 more thoughts: 1)Take a moment at the beginning of some (ideally each) visits to enjoy the patient. Occasionally we even make a difference. May, in some cases, prescribe medication. We all like to think of ourselves as doing a lot (or most) of what doctors do. Any advice would be appreciated. Something was off. My preceptor, Kelli, was going through a new patient's records. Already have an account? Don't be fooled! Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. They have nice work perks such as a free phone every 2 years, gifts, flexible schedules, free meals, paid lunch hour, holidays and weekends off. My own cadaver lab? With the unpredictability of the hospital, getting out on time doesnt always happen, but thats expected. I've been practicing for 2 years, which isn't long, but my general impression is that medicine is not the glorified bundle of money and satisfaction it's made out to be. Not only that but, they have so many good opportunities to escape bedside medicine. However what makes MD/DOs more dangerous is many actually believe they are fully prepared fresh out of residency. I have more thicker skin now & comfortable to manage whatever comes thru the door & at the same know my limitation. 89. I find I make fewer mistakes that way. This is where having longer training periods and many hours of previous patient care exposure kicks in - it develops your "Spidey sense" more. They were summa cum laudes and valedictorians too. Im afraid of starting out in the bottom again. Vice is the absence or departure of the same. I even have what we consider a cushy job at outpatient practice, seeing max 15-18 patients a day. Please review our forum rules before contributing. I find this tends to be an opinion more so of older physicians. What the hell can I use this overly-expensive degree for now? This realization was the trigger I needed. I've been there too. So, rather than being a story about why I quit, it's more about why I could never bring myself to do it before now. I have one of those jobs - yes, my colleagues get on my nerves from time to time and I often don't get the respect I feel I deserve. Surely. NPs he thinks are even worse. There'd always been a patient or two that I wanted to make sure I stayed until the end for, and then that would overlap with the next patient. Thank you for your post. Each new patient I see is staffed with the attending physician. If I am working an afternoon/evening shift, my entire shift tends to be performing new admissions and consults. Educations. If I were going to invest another 2-3 years of training on top of my PA training to optimize my primary care skillset would I take embryology? Ill have to see what is out there. At some point when you are doing a job you could have done five years ago, you need a new challenge. Was offered a job for an internal medicine inpatient position in a nyc hospital I was a little taken back by this salary, as my brother who is an mri tech makes more than this! But if it was in healthcare, it would be the path of a doctor. :/. I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, Hi, I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, not bladder) - I get none of the UTI pain/burning/urgency symptoms, and I family read more. If you're considering a career as a PA, I advise you to consider the extra mile and go to medical school. 14,595 satisfied customers. Sorry its more so of a rant. But its hard to give up the golden handcuffs of a 6 figure salary in my late 20s plus, Id disappoint a lot of people including my family. This means that as a physician assistant, you won't have She wanted a career that offered flexibility between specialties and focused on team-based care. This an extremely tight niche though. 1. Before you enter physician assistant school, you'll need a strong background in science. I loved what I was doing, but I had to admit I wasn't really growing. She decided on PA school and enrolled at Midwestern University in Glendale, Arizona. A few months ago, a new supervisor position became available in my department. A long one too. I wish I could wake up 2 years into the future with confidence. I wanna join in too , What specialty are you in? I completed a post-graduate PA fellowship at Mayo Clinic in Phoenix, Arizona. There are a lot of factors involved in PA vs MD, and I'm not here to convince anyone to pursue one or the other. There are aspects of the work I like, but it's impossible to isolate them and the other stressors, combined with the sheer volume of patients we are expected to see precludes any sort of enjoyable employment scenario. Ive been working as a PA in orthopaedic surgery for about a year. I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, Hi, I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, not bladder) - I get none of the UTI pain/burning/urgency symptoms, and I family read more. Theres no turning the clock back now. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Welcome to our virtual space for all things related to PAs! I shouldve really thought about what I really wanted out in life before I decided to go down this road. The iRobot Roomba j7+ is designed with the issue of dog poop in mind. For example, when seeing patients in the emergency department (ED) who require admission to the hospital, I first review their medical record. It is just disheartening and frustrating when my patients have functional/unexplained/vague symptoms that I can't really help or fix. JP: I try to take a standardized approach to evaluating patients. Lots of happy PAs in my neck of the woods. They have been shown to have critical thought too. In New York we have no choice but to sell our souls to the doctors and hospitals. All Rights Reserved. But I firmly believe one is responsible for creating their own happiness, creating their own fulfillment, and creating their own reality. This is a huge statement and is not entirely true. And, they have grits. Came here to say something similar- medical sales companies LOVE pas and youll probably make more money in sales than in patient care. Four months later, I was a Texan. I had similar feelings throughout school and just recently graduated. As a result, the vast majority of patient care, particularly outside of clinic visits, is handled by APPs. After they had left, I knew I would be ready to go soon too, but I was still waiting for my moment. 109. Hope you can. We all use critical thinking because we know that not everything fits nicely into a symptom package - part of the process is also looking at and listening to what we're being told andexperiential learningso that we're seeing all the different presentations of given diseases, in their different stages. Pay those loans down and call it an interesting chapter in your life. I call the two physicians at the start of my shift, and we determine who will see each patient. Im tired of no admin time. If you decide to go to PA school and become a PA you'll find out just what I'm talking about. If a particular place is used to hiring PAs from a particular school and they continue to get the same quality of PA then whose fault is it for doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Some of those changes aren't good for everyone, who may have grown up around the old paradigm and have those expectations. I'd do a masters' degree in counseling and make myself an ersatz psychiatrist, because that's FAR more needed than a doc who is admittedly superior to PAs in isolating the correct diagnosis in an undifferentiated new disease state. Now, Palermo works as a hospital internal medicine (HIM) PA at Mayo Clinic Hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. Being a major research facility, the physicians have many other obligations outside of patient care. If if you are meh about the job or have a lot of other irons in the fire then say thank you for the opportunity but you feel the salary isnt competitive in such a high COL area and that you dont feel like you can reach a mutually 2018 PhysicianAssistantForum.Com. Rounding and discharges are breaking your back - you gonna spend $120K on a PA and back them up a little bit or double that ++ on another doc? Im tired of being woken up in the middle of the night when Im on call. Use these steps to guide you on your journey. Most of us want out eventually. Hindsight is 20/20. Learn some professionalism; just because it sucks in New York doesn't mean it will suck elsewhere. Only deployment overseas to Iraq as an Army Medical Officer gave me the great job satisfaction one would expect to get out of their work. I organize all of the events for our local Derm Society of physicians. I actually got off the phone the other day with an MD-derm who wanted to RSV Nature, truth, virtue, are the influx from thence. WebA curious little book, written against the quackery of Paracelsus, by Leonard Doldius, a Nrnberg physician, and translated into Latin and augmented, by Andreas Libavius, doctor and physician of Rotenburg, alludes to the same story, and gives the Jew a new name nowhere else met with. Numbers/time are money. 2018 PhysicianAssistantForum.Com. That's all the hints & lead that I can provide at the time. I dont know anymore. Well, there is a trememdous difference in time and cost. If some doc said that to me, I'll just smile and say yup you better be. We discuss everything from interesting patient cases to stories about our kids to our favorite recipes. But they need look in the mirror and stop checking boxes. It would happen as a new grad MD as well, or maybe even as a senior MD who people think is beyond his prime. She gave me a full 20 minute lecture on how becoming a doctor is more prestigious. Dieser Button zeigt den derzeit ausgewhlten Suchtyp an. I'm ok with parts of the job but not others. Part of me says I should suck it up and stick it out for at least 3 years. Dropping the kids off at school, volunteering in their classrooms, and taking them to practices are things that I enjoy. I've been in several different specialties and 5 jobs. WebHe must hate father and mother, wife and child. The PA life for me, thanks. Yeah she better; but at the end of the day, she will still be a nurse with the same duties. A form of nostalgic sour grapes, if you will. Some of us probably would be better suited to a different profession entirely, but we are either 'in too deep' now or made the best choice we could make at the time we started school. Im tired of being physically and mentally drained from talking to patients all day to JP: We have a very collaborative approach to patient care and treat patients with a team-based approach. Why WOULDN'T you be second guessing yourself??? Everyone thinks theyre going to kill someone. I used to think that all problems would be solved in my lifetime. WebFor better and sometimes worse, medicine is a giving profession. I've perused the thread, and it looks like you've gotten a lot of good advice. Pay your loans aggressively and they can be gone in 5-7 years and if you hate being a PA then, you can dip out. I also knew that the likelihood of me accepting another position while I was still in a job I enjoyed so much was nearly zero. Indeed, estimates from the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) indicate that the U.S. could face a shortfall of between 21,000 and 55,000 primary care doctors by 2023. She pulled up the images of his CT scan performed at an outside hospital. I feel like my life is on auto auto-pilot, only looking forward until I get home and until my next day off/vacation and I dont think I want to live this way. We have come to adapt to shift work, and it works for us. Haters gonna hate. Conduct complete physicals, provide treatment, and counsel patients. She didn't check with her collaborating physician or show him the CT scan before she saw the patient. You sound pretty run down and stressed. Have you considered leaving your state for one that is more PA friendly? I know it's hard to change your li Though I enjoyed it, I spent a fair amount of time saying, "Well, this is how M.D. They moved from out of state; they didn't have family here and came alone. If that one way isn't for you, you aren't a bad person, it just isn't for you. Send comments to reagan@caglecartoons.com and follow @reaganworld on I chose orthopaedic surgery because of the variety it offers. What specialty are you in? I was blown away. Thank you for this post. I enjoy working both shifts, because its a nice change of pace. Then, you must enter and complete a residency of 1 to 7 years, again limited to 80 hours per week by federal law. Many states still are not very PA-friendly, and compensation is a joke. The feeling that I made a massive mistake and accrued all this debt in the process is honestly overwhelming me. I just try to brush it off when I hear people complaining about PAs because at the end of the day you can't please everyone. All Rights Reserved. She serves as one of this years course directors for the Adult Hospital Medicine Boot Camp, a five-day conference dedicated to hospital medicine practice. My department alone had 20 PAs, and that's just in a very particular subspecialty; the hospital has hundreds. It was a chance at a promotion, and I immediately knew I didn't want it. Any advice, thoughts, or even criticisms would be appreciated! Not saying medicine isn't algorithmic (which worries me actually, btw. As an introvert and a goal oriented person , this is a bad match for me. I have no doubt many are much smarter than me. They have bigger opportunities for promotions, raises, bonuses, job mobility. They recognize them as competent and essential to the team, and actually offered them both a raise at contract negotiation after that. :-). Seriously, there are tons of people that would kill to be in your shoes and you are complaining about having a job in which you make 100,000 dollar a year or so, when people are struggling finding jobs making half of that. Given the number of questions I fielded on a daily basis, it helped me stay up to date on research and become proficient in managing complications of both treatments and diseases. I have no desire to be a PA anymore. Very hard to land a gig like this. and realize there will be good days and bad days.looks like your having a bad day. As you said, you like your SP and your specialty. 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